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MS8904: OK, What is the problem? CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: Welcome to AOL's PI class... CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: During this course A LOT of information is coming your way, ... CAPrivEye: during the class I am going to text for a long time, please do ... CAPrivEye: not... CAPrivEye: interrupt as this is logged and for the reader or other student ... CAPrivEye: that is reading this log, it s confusing... CAPrivEye: often I will ask for questions about what we are learning... CAPrivEye: I like questions and real life examples... CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: at the right time, they are invaluable learning tools... CAPrivEye: so when I text.....anyone???... CAPrivEye: that is the question... CAPrivEye: this is due to the large amount of information... CAPrivEye: in this class... CAPrivEye: to start.................... CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: well I am happy to say that after 2 years doing this class, ... CAPrivEye: class has turned into a book published by Butterworth Heinemann ... CAPrivEye: in 1998, JAN... CAPrivEye: can I ask why have you taken this class? CAPrivEye: everyone now please BCFUNDING: we have a finance company and have to find our customers who have skipped from time to time MONTANA192: I want to become a private investigator MS8904: Curious to know how to do this sort of thing. MRS39: i want to learn more about PI Margen3: We have a search company and want more knowledge CAPrivEye: what do you wish to... CAPrivEye: learn? Margen3: all we can MONTANA192: Background Checks BCFUNDING: how to find people who have skipped and where they are employed if possible MRS39: as much as u can teach me MS8904: The works CAPrivEye: the techniques we are to learn here are real, REAL REAL REAL CAPrivEye: I am a licensed PI and do this for a living, and as we say... CAPrivEye: you are only as good as your last case CAPrivEye: so every case is important CAPrivEye: and I hope to assist you to solve yours too... CAPrivEye: if at anytime you would like to e-mail me... CAPrivEye: please do CAPrivEye: here is the mix for the next four weeks... CAPrivEye: first week is telephone use....and human intelligence CAPrivEye: second week is the Internet CAPrivEye: third week is information brokers....the REAL pro's OnlineHost: CAnder7466 has entered the room. CAPrivEye: and fourth is use of Government records and any other question ... CAPrivEye: you... CAPrivEye: have CAPrivEye: I must ask is anyone looking for someone here?... CAPrivEye: anyone? CAnder7466: Yes I am MS8904: I want to know more about someone Margen3: yes BCFUNDING: yes MONTANA192: Me TOO MS8904: I want to know more about the people I meet, as well. BCFUNDING: we have several people we are trying to find now! CAPrivEye: gr8............4 techniques i use to solve all cases CAPrivEye: each night we will learn one CAPrivEye: tonight ...it is pretexting and human itelligence or the interview MS8904: I don't have A social Security number, is that a problem? CAPrivEye: most people think this stuff is magic... CAPrivEye: it is not, just good old fashion hard work it is CAPrivEye: here is am example... CAPrivEye: when attorneys or bail bondsmen call me... CAPrivEye: they generally have done everything they can... CAPrivEye: staffs have worked on the project for weeks MS8904: Do you need a SS#? CAPrivEye: but one week before the case is lost or the fugitive gets away ,... CAPrivEye: that is the moment of the... CAPrivEye: call CAPrivEye: so rarely do I see the easy stuff, but here we will learn the ... CAPrivEye: easy CAPrivEye: and tough stuff too... CAPrivEye: when talking about cases CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: one thing is true... CAPrivEye: rule #1 A CASE is a CASE is a CASE MS8904: DO YOU NEED A SS#? CAPrivEye: in some cases, if you can get it.....do so! OnlineHost: Margen3 has left the room. CAPrivEye: whether we discuss genealogy, adoptive research, or cons on the... CAPrivEye: run or... CAPrivEye: just a missing friend ALL CASES are similar in technique... CAPrivEye: to being solved CAPrivEye: what makes the difference is the hard work involved... CAPrivEye: but in the end I have found that a person that solves their ... CAPrivEye: own... CAPrivEye: case... CAPrivEye: feels better about the case CAPrivEye: RULE #2 is what??? CAPrivEye: anyone? MS8904: What happens if you do NOT have a SS# CAPrivEye: pleaes hold questions until the end :) CAPrivEye: it is difficult for anyone to read this later if it does not flow right CAPrivEye: with electronic information....VERIFY VERIFY VERIFY!!!!!!!!! CAPrivEye: nothing is what it seems...nor is always accurate... CAPrivEye: when first starting a case... CAPrivEye: objective detailing is important... CAPrivEye: the subjective eye missing things OnlineHost: Margen3 has entered the room. CAPrivEye: the objective, non-emotional POV (point of view) is best... CAPrivEye: so often when starting a first case or the second, an ... CAPrivEye: outside POV CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: can... CAPrivEye: provide a bit of objection here needed... CAPrivEye: sometimes getting partner is good when solving your own ... CAPrivEye: cases... CAPrivEye: our library has a form or download called "dossier" CAPrivEye: this is the building block... CAPrivEye: copy this form or print it out often for each person to be ... CAPrivEye: located CAPrivEye: in * suggestions of where to begin are added as a reference ... CAPrivEye: point... CAPrivEye: this helps, as the * is where all PI's the PRO's begin... CAPrivEye: professional PI's just from technique to technique so ... CAPrivEye: quickly often... CAPrivEye: we do not know we are... CAPrivEye: doing it CAPrivEye: the techniques are:... CAPrivEye: 1- use of the telephone and human intelligence (talking ... CAPrivEye: with... CAPrivEye: someone or grabbing trash)... CAPrivEye: 2- the internet... CAPrivEye: 3 - information broker's... CAPrivEye: 4- manual search of Government records... CAPrivEye: all are very important and should be mastered to be GR8!... CAPrivEye: what is the first thing we need to start as case?... CAPrivEye: anyone? MRS39: info BCFUNDING: person's name CAnder7466: A Client? CAPrivEye: a client and retainer are the best professionally!!!!! but for... CAPrivEye: here a name is good too CAPrivEye: a name is whom we seek... CAPrivEye: this is the building block... CAPrivEye: common names are difficult... CAPrivEye: unique names are best more easily found CAPrivEye: but a name like koloske... CAPrivEye: well that is better CAPrivEye: here is the difference on the last name... CAPrivEye: ALPHA searches can be done with some success with unique ... CAPrivEye: names... CAPrivEye: ALPHA searches with common names are useless... CAPrivEye: there are too many names... CAPrivEye: an ALPHA search is an A-Z name search... CAPrivEye: first letter CAPrivEye: only... CAPrivEye: this is what the white pages are... CAPrivEye: the telephone book... CAPrivEye: what we really want to begin with is unique information ... CAPrivEye: about... CAPrivEye: someone... CAPrivEye: firstly the full and legal name... CAPrivEye: this full and legal name shows up in telephone books, ... CAPrivEye: credit... CAPrivEye: information,... CAPrivEye: property records,... CAPrivEye: etc.................. CAPrivEye: this is our beginning point CAPrivEye: Bill is generally William... CAPrivEye: okay moving on CAPrivEye: addresses even old ones, are important... CAPrivEye: with addresses we look for a seven year period of residence... CAPrivEye: if that is not possible then our next field perimeter is ... CAPrivEye: 25-30... CAPrivEye: years... CAPrivEye: social security numbers are the best CAPrivEye: every time CAPrivEye: but sometimes we start with almost nothing... CAPrivEye: (those are the easy cases)... CAPrivEye: sometimes we must talk with neighbors... CAPrivEye: or friends... CAPrivEye: etc.... CAPrivEye: and we live thousands of miles away... CAPrivEye: so the telephone is all we can use... CAPrivEye: or the computer... CAPrivEye: firstly the telephone CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: we have a techniques that is a million money maker in the ... CAPrivEye: PI... CAPrivEye: business... CAPrivEye: called................... CAPrivEye: pretexting CAPrivEye: most of all cases are solved this way... CAPrivEye: what is pretexting?????... CAPrivEye: anyone? MS8904: don't have a clue BCFUNDING: ditt CAPrivEye: pretending is about right CAPrivEye: well a white lie :) CAPrivEye: pretexting's one rule............no violation of copyright or... CAPrivEye: trademarks... CAPrivEye: so one cannot say they are from IBM COMPUTER INC, ... CAPrivEye: but............ CAPrivEye: who has heard of MBI COMPUTERS INC. CAPrivEye: see the difference, no violation of law CAPrivEye: we simply call the former employer... CAPrivEye: ask for a verification of employment CAPrivEye: the human resources department will tell us... CAPrivEye: at a minimum: position, department, salary and dates of... CAPrivEye: employment CAPrivEye: then we call the department... CAPrivEye: "Hi, this is >>>>> I am from MBO Insurance and had a ... CAPrivEye: returned... CAPrivEye: check, I need to... CAPrivEye: get this off my desk, can you tell me where Mary Jones is ... CAPrivEye: in this... CAPrivEye: company?... CAPrivEye: Oh, she moved? May average is down this month and I have ... CAPrivEye: been... CAPrivEye: sick, so have my children... CAPrivEye: been, I need to keep up my distribution, can you tell me ... CAPrivEye: how I can... CAPrivEye: get in touch with her?"... CAPrivEye: answer................ case solved... CAPrivEye: then simply city by calling 411... CAPrivEye: ask for listing in new city... CAPrivEye: ask too for address... CAPrivEye: call residence, ask for Mary....she says "YES" you say ... CAPrivEye: Jones? she... CAPrivEye: says "NO"... CAPrivEye: end of case... CAPrivEye: you have your person!!!!!!!! MS8904: Don't know the former employer. Then What? MONTANA192: Or if number is unlisted CAPrivEye: okya check out the DOSSIER CAPrivEye: firstly we need the name MS8904: What? CAPrivEye: then SSN or former address; if not then former employer MONTANA192: Or if they block incoming blocked calls CAPrivEye: what i am saying is this MS8904: I asked you about SS#. what if you do not know it? CAPrivEye: no matter what inofmration i have i can solve the case CAPrivEye: generally in three days CAPrivEye: most times within one OnlineHost: CAnder7466 has left the room. CAPrivEye: okay ------- please download the DOSSIER MS8904: Without a Social Security Number? CAPrivEye: from our library and look at it MONTANA192: Will we be able to do what you do OnlineHost: Kiwi8953 has entered the room. CAPrivEye: the * below the topic is our first place to check out information regarding CAPrivEye: our subject OnlineHost: MRS39 has left the room. OnlineHost: MRS39 has entered the room. CAPrivEye: no matter what we start with we can solve the case OnlineHost: CAnder7466 has entered the room. CAPrivEye: why? OnlineHost: Kiwi8953 has left the room. CAPrivEye: because we do not rely on one method but rather many methods CAPrivEye: to solve cases MS8904: Without A l CAPrivEye: if you can get the social security number .do so, why? OnlineHost: MRS39 has left the room. OnlineHost: MRS39 has entered the room. OnlineHost: MRS39 has left the room. OnlineHost: MRS39 has entered the room. MS8904: Without A S. S. #????????? CAPrivEye: anyone? OnlineHost: MRS39 has left the room. OnlineHost: MRS39 has entered the room. MONTANA192: employment CAPrivEye: only one number per person in the USA CAPrivEye: that is very limited CAPrivEye: names can be dupilcated OnlineHost: MRS39 has left the room. OnlineHost: MRS39 has entered the room. CAPrivEye: addresses can have many residences CAPrivEye: but an SSN has only one person CAPrivEye: but a name and address works the same as an SSN CAPrivEye: in this regard...............generally only one person we are searching for CAPrivEye: okay another techniques is the genealogy...call a neighbor... CAPrivEye: say I am looking for the Jones residence and I am from ... CAPrivEye: Universal... CAPrivEye: Genealogy... CAPrivEye: Noclue1060: ?... MS8904: THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING. CAPrivEye: we are doing a search of the Jones family and have traced ... CAPrivEye: them... CAPrivEye: back to 1792 in... CAPrivEye: the USA CAPrivEye: but have lost touch with a branch of the family, your neighbor... CAPrivEye: that has moved... CAPrivEye: answer---"oh they moved to Ohio, I think Cleveland"... CAPrivEye: that is where you begin your search... CAPrivEye: I know this sounds a bit easy... CAPrivEye: but it does work and most MOST cases are solved this way... CAPrivEye: the best is the high school reunion... CAPrivEye: call a family members... CAPrivEye: and tell then you are with the high school reunion ... CAPrivEye: committee... CAPrivEye: our 25th year... CAPrivEye: generally you will get the new address and telephone number... CAPrivEye: rule number one to pretexting ---... CAPrivEye: PRACTICE!!!!!!!!!!!!1... CAPrivEye: sound good !!!!!!!!!!... CAPrivEye: PRACTICE... CAPrivEye: and then PRACTICE again... CAPrivEye: remember you are an actor... CAPrivEye: okay what questions do we have now?... CAPrivEye: anyone? MONTANA192: How do you get around caller ID issues when you are calling CAnder7466: What if you're looking for a child? MS8904: I know where the person lives and works, However, I would like to know more about him. I do CAPrivEye: call ID i use *67.it blocks it CAPrivEye: children are difficult since they have no employment nor little history MS8904: not have his SSNo. Can you help me? CAPrivEye: employment is generally the key here CAPrivEye: please one question question at a time, reading this later will be a nightmare MONTANA192: But most people today block incoming blocked calls so you get a recording telling you to MONTANA192: unblock your call CAPrivEye: well call from a known location that is not yours CAPrivEye: i never get blocker out and i use blocking all the time CAPrivEye: what happens if someone calls from a payphone? MONTANA192: Where I live every one blocks incoming blocked calls CAPrivEye: they block too.........i guess someone could just take their phone off the hook too CAPrivEye: but that seems a bit much MONTANA192: You can call from a pay phone It says oay phone on the caller ID MONTANA192: PAY Phone CAPrivEye: yes that would be a method...in California we can block our number CAPrivEye: so I do MS8904: I would like to investigate the person I am involved with but I do not have A SS#, Help CAPrivEye: what state are you speaking about? MS8904: Hello] CAPrivEye: MONTANA192 what state do you live in? MONTANA192: I didn't ask the question BCFUNDING: I live in Oklahoma if anyone cares CAPrivEye: you statedthat where you live payphone calls are logged as "PAYPHONE" where is this the nor CAPrivEye: m? MS8904: He lives a little outside of SF MONTANA192: I"m sorry Fla CAPrivEye: wow.........i am surprised that technology has gone that far MONTANA192: For over two years OnlineHost: Margen3 has left the room. CAPrivEye: that seems a bit of invasion of privicy CAPrivEye: but i am not surprised the technology is being used this way OnlineHost: MRS39 has left the room. OnlineHost: MRS39 has entered the room. CAPrivEye: okay moving on.................... OnlineHost: MRS39 has left the room. OnlineHost: MRS39 has entered the room. MONTANA192: Everyone agreed, that's why people are able to block incoming blocked calls CAPrivEye: well to be honest often times I know the name (not always ... CAPrivEye: right... CAPrivEye: either) and the employer... CAPrivEye: that is it... CAPrivEye: no address... CAPrivEye: no SSN... CAPrivEye: no nothing... CAPrivEye: ... Error: HELP!! OnlineHost: OnlineHost: *** You are in "Scholars Hall". *** OnlineHost: CAPrivEye: booted! OnlineHost: MRS39 has left the room. Margen3: us to CAPrivEye: You have just solved your first missing persons case CAnder7466: Me too !! MONTANA192: I'm here CAPrivEye: you found me!!!!!! CAnder7466: LOL CAPrivEye: well to be honest often times I know the name (not always ... CAPrivEye: right... CAPrivEye: either) and the employer... CAPrivEye: that is it... CAPrivEye: no address... Margen3: lol CAPrivEye: no SSN CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: so my only lead is the employer... CAPrivEye: an SSN you know or you don't... CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: I will solve the case with an old employer too!!!!!!!!111 CAPrivEye: what is mean here is this...............nomatter what you have CAPrivEye: the cawse is not over until you say it is over CAPrivEye: generally i work for attorneys that have missing witnesses MS8904: What happens if you do not know the last Employer, Only the present one CAPrivEye: that is even better CAPrivEye: call them and ask if the person works there MS8904: How? CAPrivEye: you have your person! CAPrivEye: remember most people go to work.......or they have no money MS8904: I know he works there. CAPrivEye: and that is on a schedule CAPrivEye: okay what is your question? MS8904: How do I find out more? CAnder7466: If you would let him teach the class you would learn... MS8904: Well, I am waiting to hear more. OnlineHost: Margen3 has left the room. CAPrivEye: okay yes...........tonight we are only learning about telehpone and interviewer use CAPrivEye: but on class two, three and four you will learn about other records MONTANA192: OK CAPrivEye: the reason forthe break down is this......it is not orginized CAPrivEye: you really needto know alot to be really good in this business CAPrivEye: most investigators cannot solve all cases CAPrivEye: in fact i am consulting with a company on internationl investigations CAPrivEye: and those are tougher CAPrivEye: but here in this country we need to know four techniques to have CAPrivEye: a good background OnlineHost: Margen3 has entered the room. CAPrivEye: the reason the telephone is our best method CAPrivEye: can be demonstrated by my first case CAPrivEye: here are the detatils CAPrivEye: of my first case CAPrivEye: firstly a lady called me and sought her niece from 40 years back CAPrivEye: after getting the name and mother's maiden name and former address CAPrivEye: of 40 years ago i started with the former address and found one person CAPrivEye: with a listed number with the same last name in the county CAPrivEye: so i called CAPrivEye: this guy did not want to give me anything, and this is where an investigator CAPrivEye: failed on this case CAPrivEye: but i kept him on the line and finally got him to give the number of SUBJECT's sister CAPrivEye: then called her nd got it all CAPrivEye: solvedthe case in less than one hour CAPrivEye: but the point is this...............sounds eay right? CAPrivEye: easy right? BCFUNDING: right CAPrivEye: YES it is and I hope you know how too CAPrivEye: by the end of all this MONTANA192: NOt really because today most people are suspicious CAPrivEye: the point is never give up on cases, solve them no matter what CAPrivEye: i still can get anything overthe phone CAPrivEye: how is that............how can i? BCFUNDING: pretexting? OnlineHost: MS8904 has left the room. OnlineHost: MS8904 has entered the room. CAPrivEye: well i pretext by giving what people want or CAPrivEye: .or .what? CAPrivEye: acting the fool or person in need CAPrivEye: you will get by watching a TV show of COLUMBO CAPrivEye: he always seems like he never gets it.the fool CAPrivEye: but in the end he solves the case CAPrivEye: two things you can do to really help as you begin MS8904: I LOVE COLUMBO CAPrivEye: are---------1) have a Briish acsent CAPrivEye: 2) be a lady CAPrivEye: both work all the time! MONTANA192: He has a cute basset hound CAPrivEye: look.........most people have ego's and think a lot of themselves CAPrivEye: give me that and I will use it against them CAPrivEye: becasue i like winning MONTANA192: Give an example CAPrivEye: so i know that and have already worked out what i will do CAPrivEye: if given an obsticle, plus experience helps too CAPrivEye: okay........the guy that would not help me on my first case....... CAPrivEye: he was from MICHIGAN and old and would not give me anything CAPrivEye: but i told him that i was a family member and we really miss JANE DOE our long lost niece CAPrivEye: and on her fathers death bed he asked for her CAPrivEye: and asked us to find here CAPrivEye: find her CAPrivEye: that gave me the sister! CAPrivEye: three days later the family was reunited CAPrivEye: i recieved a picture too........a gr8 feeling and reunion CAPrivEye: but i never work for nuts or someone i do not know CAPrivEye: these techniques in professional practice can be dangerous CAPrivEye: as the case of the actress in MY SISTER SAM CAPrivEye: gunned down at her front door CAPrivEye: REBECA SCHAFFER CAPrivEye: so i never work for someone that i do not know MONTANA192: Did he use a PI to find her CAPrivEye: or that i feel does need to know CAPrivEye: yes that is right CAPrivEye: so the PI's I know only work for attorneys CAPrivEye: as me CAPrivEye: average for far is 100% CAPrivEye: since 1994 CAPrivEye: but we need to know the name of the person we seek CAPrivEye: sometimes i get the wrong name but have enough recent information to find something CAPrivEye: okay, when looking for people you must use the telephone often... CAPrivEye: do not be afraid of it... CAPrivEye: I will always try the truth first CAPrivEye: but often if I told people I am a PI they would hang up... CAPrivEye: so I figure another way, that is pretexting CAPrivEye: remember we are only as good as out last case... CAPrivEye: what is the difference between on-line white pages and... CAPrivEye: 555-1212?????... CAPrivEye: anyone??????? BCFUNDING: 555-1212 is more up to date CAPrivEye: well next class I will explain on-line white pages in... CAPrivEye: detail...history etc....comply...etc... CAPrivEye: but on-line has a window of 3-12 months being current... CAPrivEye: 555-1212 is less than one month... CAPrivEye: !!!!!!!!!! CAPrivEye: when looking for people I call 555-1212 often... CAPrivEye: more than on-line... CAPrivEye: the telephone company complies information on a monthly ... CAPrivEye: basis... CAPrivEye: we use this too our advantage CAPrivEye: the more timely information is the more accurate it is... CAPrivEye: so let's look at telephone company records for a minute... CAPrivEye: they will not give out unlisted #'s... CAPrivEye: but when asking for listed numbers they will given out ... CAPrivEye: addresses... CAPrivEye: too... CAPrivEye: it is important to ask for the address CAPrivEye: remember VERIFY every step of the way... CAPrivEye: often when pretexting I will practice five times what I am ... CAPrivEye: going... CAPrivEye: say... CAPrivEye: if I seem unnatural... CAPrivEye: I get nothing CAPrivEye: but with a good ruse, the fountain flows... CAPrivEye: people naturally want to help and do the right thing... CAPrivEye: why so businesses share information? MONTANA192: If someone dosen't want to be found they will have an unlisted number and use a PO box CAPrivEye: yes but i will teach you to get past that too MONTANA192: OK CAPrivEye: because they want the same information in return when they need ... CAPrivEye: it... CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: no one can run a business... CAPrivEye: if they cannot get information... CAPrivEye: so the point here is that businesses share information... CAPrivEye: and this is the difference that is used by professional ... CAPrivEye: PI's CAPrivEye: I know this is not Magnum PI, but it is the way cases are solved... CAPrivEye: asking someone with a creditable story always works... CAPrivEye: because people do want to help... CAPrivEye: and often I am looking for someone that has done a crime, ... CAPrivEye: so... CAPrivEye: people mind not... CAPrivEye: can anyone think of another pretext that might work?... CAPrivEye: anyone? BCFUNDING: we call about needing to get a rebate check to someone MONTANA192: That's good MONTANA192: Someone won a contest CAPrivEye: well i caution against the check or i have money technique.......if you called me i would CAPrivEye: sy send it and hang up CAPrivEye: i fugure if you are smart enough to give me money CAPrivEye: then you are smart enough to know my address CAPrivEye: LOL! CAPrivEye: but that is true BCFUNDING: I use this techique when talking to neighbors CAPrivEye: too many scams begin that way CAPrivEye: well .. i am surprised someone would fall for it CAPrivEye: but i know people do CAPrivEye: the point is to make it believable... CAPrivEye: and PRACTICE CAPrivEye: most often to solve a case we must call someone that knows the... CAPrivEye: information... CAPrivEye: we cannot on-line information acquire, so people are the ... CAPrivEye: key... CAPrivEye: making them believe the story... CAPrivEye: this is why the story should start with the truth... CAPrivEye: then it gets a bit larger each time, MONTANA192: So give us another ie of pretexting CAPrivEye: after a while you are a natural at larger stories... CAPrivEye: okay.........any questions at this point? CAnder7466: Can you get information from courts in other states using the phone? CAPrivEye: no CAPrivEye: pretexting.....works this way........ CAPrivEye: see if i were as god as others are CAPrivEye: i would use one that always works......... CAPrivEye: turn your music up and get wired on coffee or have a beer and call CAPrivEye: your SUBJECT CAPrivEye: say they are being called by a RADIO STATION CAPrivEye: and ask them what station they listen too CAPrivEye: then say ........."guess what?" CAPrivEye: "you have just won!" CAPrivEye: screams and such........ CAPrivEye: by the end of your call i bet you can get a persons personals!!!!! CAPrivEye: i mean a chest size too!!!!!!!!! CAPrivEye: then say wait......... OnlineHost: Margen3 has left the room. CAPrivEye: put them on hold for a bit, then turn the music off and CAPrivEye: say you need their address for the prizes!!!! CAPrivEye: it gets people all the time CAPrivEye: personally if they called back and were mad...........i would say tough CAPrivEye: i got them!!! and it is legal too OnlineHost: Margen3 has entered the room. CAPrivEye: people are pretty smart CAPrivEye: i never under estimate people, but they keep surprising me by falling for these techniques CAPrivEye: MAKE IT BELIEVABLE!!!!! CAPrivEye: and PRACTICE CAPrivEye: well, it is true that professional PI's sometime lie, but that ... CAPrivEye: is... CAPrivEye: professional... CAPrivEye: it is not personal... CAPrivEye: that is the difference CAPrivEye: it is for a client... CAPrivEye: to solve a case... CAPrivEye: sort of like acting... MONTANA192: Like Clinton CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: PI's are the best actors I know... CAPrivEye: I wish we had Hollywood contracts!!!!!!!! CAPrivEye: in criminal cases I come under the same... CAPrivEye: legal issues as do the police... CAPrivEye: so varying is not too possible here CAPrivEye: remember my license, a judge can ask any time what I did... CAPrivEye: and I must answer... CAPrivEye: that is the law CAPrivEye: this course only has legal techniques in it... CAPrivEye: nothing illegal... CAPrivEye: crafty yes, but legal CAPrivEye: if I really need to talk to someone I will call them at work... CAPrivEye: generally they are there... CAPrivEye: between 9-5 CAPrivEye: the point here is that pretexting is a specific mission for... CAPrivEye: specific results... CAPrivEye: when pretexting know what you want go for it, get it, then ... CAPrivEye: move on... CAPrivEye: do not become friends, act professional... CAPrivEye: act like you do this all day long... CAPrivEye: one call after the other... CAPrivEye: boring this call, boring that call... CAPrivEye: I am just verifying this or that... CAPrivEye: listen I need to follow up on someone....etc... CAPrivEye: pretexting is short and sweet... CAPrivEye: one must know what they are going to get before making the ... CAPrivEye: call MONTANA192: What if they won't talk to you and you have to leave a message CAPrivEye: in this case if i nee to talk to someone i will call them when i think they are home CAPrivEye: or at work CAPrivEye: okay ..... i think we have discusses pretexting well....anymore... CAPrivEye: questions... CAPrivEye: regarding this?... CAPrivEye: or anything else......before moving on? CAPrivEye: okay no is the time for homework... CAPrivEye: each class I will provide 15-30 minutes of sites on the ... CAPrivEye: internet... CAPrivEye: to search... CAPrivEye: well, this is the reason why we are here... CAPrivEye: the first one is a beta site... CAPrivEye: well it is mine but I have linked 1 billion records on-line... CAPrivEye: it links 7 major white pages together with typing in ... CAPrivEye: information... CAPrivEye: once CAPrivEye: it is at... CAPrivEye: http://www.brigadoon.com/~calpi/findsomeone.html... CAPrivEye: please go there now while I wait here CAPrivEye: the key is to type in information once... CAPrivEye: then it cgi scripts into 7 databases with one click... CAPrivEye: sort of a submit-it.com type thing CAPrivEye: to start click on the blue globe on the top of this page... CAPrivEye: then type in www.brigadoon.com/~calpi/findsomeone.htm... CAPrivEye: I hope it is a source you can use in the future... CAPrivEye: please send me an IM CAPrivEye: I will send the hyperlink to you... CAPrivEye: just click... CAPrivEye: then... CAPrivEye: try: http://www.brigadoon.com/~calpi/FINDsomeone.htm... CAPrivEye: please send me an IM... CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: or immediate message under members... CAPrivEye: it is called "send an immediate message"... CAPrivEye: to me I will give you the reserch link or homework... CAPrivEye: www.brigadoon.com/~calpi/FINDsomeone.htm... CAPrivEye: www.brigadoon.com/~calpi/FINDsomeone.htm... CAPrivEye: www.brigadoon.com/~calpi/FINDsomeone.htm... CAPrivEye: is the URL CAPrivEye: URL means or = Universal Resource Locator... CAPrivEye: it is the address of the web site you seek CAPrivEye: it is no difference than a hone address that mail is delivered ... CAPrivEye: to... CAPrivEye: well remember it is a beta site... CAPrivEye: or beta meaning test site CAPrivEye: go while i wait here CAnder7466: I get a message saying not on this server MONTANA192: Me too CAnder7466: I can get to the Brigadoon site but no farther.... MONTANA192: me too CAPrivEye: send me an IM Margen3: I got to the homepage MONTANA192: me too CAPrivEye: send me an IM BCFUNDING: I tried one that we have been looking for a only got her old address. We know she has moved MS8904: Hi CAnder7466: I didn't get my person because it's more complicated than just this exercise... CAPrivEye: yes remember this is just the beginning OnlineHost: Margen3 has left the room. CAPrivEye: in class three i will teach you more about online sources CAPrivEye: and next week is about the WWW or world wide web CAnder7466: Aren't they the same? CAPrivEye: okay tonight we learned a bit about use of the telephone... CAPrivEye: it is not magic just good old fashion hard work... CAPrivEye: next week we will learn about the Internet the resources CAPrivEye: okay thank you very much tonight... CAPrivEye: next week the INTERNET... CAPrivEye: and what is on this thing... CAPrivEye: so best wishes and see you on-line next week!!! OnlineHost: MONTANA192 has left the room.